1 00:00:14,810 --> 00:00:11,540 better yeah okay so this is sort of the 2 00:00:18,890 --> 00:00:14,820 canonical model of mass and radius and 3 00:00:20,990 --> 00:00:18,900 in this paper she wrote drew this blue 4 00:00:23,810 --> 00:00:21,000 line and said that is sort of the earth 5 00:00:25,340 --> 00:00:23,820 like line and a lot of these planets 6 00:00:27,019 --> 00:00:25,350 including earth and venus went through 7 00:00:29,630 --> 00:00:27,029 this line and then they sort of came up 8 00:00:31,279 --> 00:00:29,640 with his tautological saying that says 9 00:00:33,049 --> 00:00:31,289 planets inferred to be earth-like are 10 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:33,059 indeed earth-like and that has a lot of 11 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:37,260 implications so the question then we ask 12 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:38,640 is well what does it really mean to be 13 00:00:41,990 --> 00:00:39,960 earth-like and then you can ask this 14 00:00:44,450 --> 00:00:42,000 even more existential question of is the 15 00:00:46,670 --> 00:00:44,460 earth even special if we can just fit 16 00:00:47,869 --> 00:00:46,680 all of these planets with this curve so 17 00:00:50,510 --> 00:00:47,879 I want to take a step back and actually 18 00:00:53,150 --> 00:00:50,520 look at the data we take for exoplanets 19 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:53,160 so here is a different way to plot a 20 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:55,680 mass radius model so this is data not a 21 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:58,500 model this is radius on the x-axis and 22 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:00,960 density and I've color coded the mass 23 00:01:05,539 --> 00:01:03,420 and you can see we've got some variation 24 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:05,549 we've got some low density high radius 25 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:08,369 and high density low radius and that may 26 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:10,170 tell us something about the fraction of 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:12,600 rock to core maybe something about gas 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:14,610 envelopes it's very coarse in this model 29 00:01:19,460 --> 00:01:16,530 terrestrial planets are right here earth 30 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:19,470 Venus mercury and Mars we also have 31 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:20,880 another data set that is sometimes 32 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:23,070 overlooked which is the actual 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:25,710 composition of the host stars so here is 34 00:01:31,340 --> 00:01:28,170 a about a thousand stars from a sample 35 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:31,350 of F G and K stars my flooded magnesium 36 00:01:36,020 --> 00:01:32,880 silicon versus iron silicon these are 37 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:36,030 sort of terrestrial planet ratios the 38 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:38,970 Sun is in blue red have observed planets 39 00:01:43,490 --> 00:01:41,310 we can see some spread and magnesium to 40 00:01:44,780 --> 00:01:43,500 silicon and some spread an iron to 41 00:01:46,850 --> 00:01:44,790 silicon and maybe this tells us 42 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:46,860 something about the core size if you 43 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:48,090 have a bigger core you should have more 44 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:50,250 iron relatives of silicon and magnesium 45 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:53,100 silicon is really the measure of what a 46 00:01:58,219 --> 00:01:54,810 planetary mantle should be made of 47 00:02:00,319 --> 00:01:58,229 particularly at mineralogy so really the 48 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:00,329 focus of my PhD which I just wrapped up 49 00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:02,250 earlier this year was trying to connect 50 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:04,079 these two datasets can we talk about how 51 00:02:08,809 --> 00:02:06,180 connecting the stellar data with the 52 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:08,819 planetary mass radius data so to do that 53 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:11,760 I want to then think about earth-like 54 00:02:14,869 --> 00:02:13,590 planets and i want to say okay well 55 00:02:16,940 --> 00:02:14,879 we have this earth like model can we 56 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:16,950 even fit the earth to an earthlike model 57 00:02:21,050 --> 00:02:19,530 so if we're going to be extrapolating up 58 00:02:23,449 --> 00:02:21,060 to 5 earth masses let's make sure we get 59 00:02:25,250 --> 00:02:23,459 the earth rate so I I'm going to put 60 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:25,260 this in mass and Composition space 61 00:02:30,289 --> 00:02:28,769 because connecting stars and planets and 62 00:02:33,110 --> 00:02:30,299 here's the earth I was silicon to iron 63 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:33,120 ratio of 1 and 1 earth-mass ignore that 64 00:02:38,809 --> 00:02:36,000 blue line for now but if we were to see 65 00:02:39,890 --> 00:02:38,819 the earth what we would observe the 66 00:02:41,420 --> 00:02:39,900 earth we wouldn't be able to take it 67 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:41,430 spectra we would have to take the sun's 68 00:02:44,869 --> 00:02:43,530 so the Sun has a slightly higher silicon 69 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:44,879 iron ratio so we're just going to look 70 00:02:48,259 --> 00:02:47,280 at the Sun for now and this is the 71 00:02:50,870 --> 00:02:48,269 planet we're going to model we're going 72 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:50,880 to model a one earth radius planet and 73 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:52,170 so this is where you should pay 74 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:53,250 attention in the blue one if you 75 00:02:56,420 --> 00:02:54,660 actually modeled a one earth radius 76 00:02:58,009 --> 00:02:56,430 planet using what we know about the 77 00:02:59,360 --> 00:02:58,019 earth as earth scientist you 78 00:03:02,839 --> 00:02:59,370 overestimate the mass of the Earth by 79 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:02,849 about thirteen percent so that Earth 80 00:03:06,530 --> 00:03:04,769 model that canonical earth model is 81 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:06,540 wrong and I can tell you some reasons 82 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:08,790 why so one thing is they don't have an 83 00:03:13,130 --> 00:03:10,650 upper mantle in their model that seems 84 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:13,140 obvious they just basically extrapolate 85 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:14,190 bridgeman aight all the way up to the 86 00:03:18,830 --> 00:03:16,560 surface and they use a solid iron core 87 00:03:20,539 --> 00:03:18,840 whereas we know for the most part the 88 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:20,549 core is liquid and we should expect 89 00:03:23,930 --> 00:03:22,410 liquid iron cores on most terrestrial 90 00:03:26,330 --> 00:03:23,940 planets just if you look at the phase 91 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:26,340 diagram of iron terrestrial earth-sized 92 00:03:30,949 --> 00:03:29,370 planets and up and will keep the 93 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:30,959 magnesium silicon ratio of the mantle at 94 00:03:36,620 --> 00:03:34,319 one that just makes easy so if you run 95 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:36,630 this model my model you actually still 96 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:38,010 overestimate the mass of the Earth by 97 00:03:42,379 --> 00:03:40,170 about five percent but that's good 98 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:42,389 because we also were adding details to 99 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:44,730 the spherical cow model I'll skip that 100 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:47,340 so one thing that makes a difference in 101 00:03:50,809 --> 00:03:49,049 the Earth's mass is that the core is not 102 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:50,819 pure iron it has some amount of light 103 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:52,200 elements in it and you can choose your 104 00:03:56,059 --> 00:03:54,060 favorite light element so carbon and 105 00:03:57,559 --> 00:03:56,069 oxygen will definitely change the mass 106 00:03:59,750 --> 00:03:57,569 of the core but it does not change the 107 00:04:02,599 --> 00:03:59,760 silicon to iron ratio that much sulfur 108 00:04:03,979 --> 00:04:02,609 has a bigger effect silicon has a very 109 00:04:05,809 --> 00:04:03,989 large effect because it's in the 110 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:05,819 numerator and somewhat in the 111 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:08,190 denominator but you can see that we can 112 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:09,690 change the mass the planet as well as 113 00:04:14,930 --> 00:04:11,730 it's silicon iron ore are inferred 114 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:14,940 silicon to iron ratio and the other 115 00:04:18,259 --> 00:04:16,620 thing we can also you can choose sort of 116 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:18,269 an optimum from mineral physics of what 117 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:19,769 we think the Earth's core is like so 118 00:04:23,750 --> 00:04:21,450 let's benchmark to the earth and sort of 119 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:23,760 compare across so this is some amount of 120 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:25,770 silicon and oxygen we can also change 121 00:04:28,610 --> 00:04:27,330 the magnesium to silicon 122 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:28,620 issue of the mantle and see how that 123 00:04:31,550 --> 00:04:30,180 changes our silicon to iron ratio and 124 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:31,560 the mass and really from this you can 125 00:04:36,379 --> 00:04:33,810 see core density changes has a large 126 00:04:38,390 --> 00:04:36,389 effect on silicon to iron ore and mass 127 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:38,400 whereas changing our the magnesium 128 00:04:42,649 --> 00:04:40,710 silicon ratio of the mantle has a small 129 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:42,659 effect on mass but a large effect or a 130 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:44,430 somewhat effect on silicon and iron and 131 00:04:49,209 --> 00:04:46,409 there's the Sun which falls nicely in my 132 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:49,219 model and if you take an earth model 133 00:04:54,679 --> 00:04:52,110 which is sort of by this green box some 134 00:04:57,170 --> 00:04:54,689 core density between about five and ten 135 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:57,180 percent less than iron and a magnesium 136 00:05:00,890 --> 00:04:58,680 silicon ratio of the mantle which you 137 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:00,900 can look at the mantle xenoliths and 138 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:02,400 maybe get an idea of the mantles 139 00:05:06,379 --> 00:05:03,990 magnesium silicon ratio falls in that 140 00:05:08,270 --> 00:05:06,389 green box so in this plot I've reverse 141 00:05:10,670 --> 00:05:08,280 engineered the earth using the Sun 142 00:05:12,649 --> 00:05:10,680 that's pretty cool so in this sense for 143 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:12,659 my barely course order of magnitude 144 00:05:16,159 --> 00:05:15,120 model I've the Sun is a good proxy for 145 00:05:20,149 --> 00:05:16,169 the earth so if you're going to tweet 146 00:05:22,189 --> 00:05:20,159 that's we should so if you can expand 147 00:05:23,689 --> 00:05:22,199 that we earth is great but let's talk 148 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:23,699 about earth-like planets across the mass 149 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:26,310 radius spectrum so here is radius versus 150 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:28,560 silicon to iron in astronomy units and 151 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:29,610 I'll tell you why it's an astronomer 152 00:05:34,369 --> 00:05:32,550 unit in just a second and what this says 153 00:05:36,740 --> 00:05:34,379 is if you have radio or if you have 154 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:36,750 planetary radius which is what you would 155 00:05:40,219 --> 00:05:39,060 get from a transit method you have to 156 00:05:43,790 --> 00:05:40,229 actually follow up to get a mass 157 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:43,800 measurement while you're there you might 158 00:05:47,029 --> 00:05:45,360 as well measure the stellar composition 159 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:47,039 and get a silicon to iron ratio and from 160 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:48,810 that you can actually oh these contours 161 00:05:53,899 --> 00:05:51,240 are contours of constant mass so you can 162 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:53,909 run across say oh well there's my planet 163 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:55,740 and then this earth like range is just 164 00:06:01,600 --> 00:05:58,289 the core size that is bound by the Sun 165 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:01,610 and the earth true silicon iron ratio so 166 00:06:07,550 --> 00:06:04,889 next up is well is that a true 167 00:06:09,290 --> 00:06:07,560 assumption is the sun's composition a 168 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:09,300 good proxy for the earth from a chemical 169 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:11,310 perspective or from a Cosmo chemist 170 00:06:16,820 --> 00:06:15,180 perspective so this is how I defend that 171 00:06:18,980 --> 00:06:16,830 so this is the photospheric abundance 172 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:18,990 versus the c1 chondrites which is one 173 00:06:24,589 --> 00:06:21,449 earth model for what the earth might be 174 00:06:27,019 --> 00:06:24,599 made of so iron and silicon magnesium 175 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:27,029 are all elements that are refractory and 176 00:06:31,249 --> 00:06:28,889 what that means is if you're if you have 177 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:31,259 a gas these will condense first at very 178 00:06:35,449 --> 00:06:33,750 high temperatures so in this one to one 179 00:06:37,370 --> 00:06:35,459 line which is in green you can see those 180 00:06:39,589 --> 00:06:37,380 three elements following falling nicely 181 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:39,599 on it oxygen is a little bit above and 182 00:06:42,490 --> 00:06:40,610 I'll talk about that 183 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:42,500 second so you can then make the next 184 00:06:46,570 --> 00:06:44,539 step and look at the actual earth 185 00:06:48,670 --> 00:06:46,580 abundance for some earth compositional 186 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:48,680 model versus photosphere and again those 187 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:50,449 are pretty close to that one to one line 188 00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:52,849 but oxygen is not and that's important 189 00:06:57,550 --> 00:06:55,520 because the earth is not made of just 190 00:07:00,399 --> 00:06:57,560 refractory metals they are oxidized 191 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:00,409 species so if you were to use the sun's 192 00:07:04,899 --> 00:07:02,780 oxygen abundance you would actually over 193 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:04,909 predict the total oxygen budget of the 194 00:07:09,339 --> 00:07:07,370 planet by a factor of eight or so which 195 00:07:11,499 --> 00:07:09,349 means you would oxidize everything there 196 00:07:14,050 --> 00:07:11,509 would be no core and that's not the 197 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:14,060 planet we live on and that kind of makes 198 00:07:19,779 --> 00:07:17,330 sense oxygen is a volatile element you 199 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:19,789 would think of so we need to make some 200 00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:21,770 correction for on the oxygen its to 201 00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:23,270 basically turn it into what I call 202 00:07:27,779 --> 00:07:25,520 refractory oxygen to say this is the 203 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:27,789 oxygen abundance that or some 204 00:07:31,809 --> 00:07:30,110 approximation of the oxygen abundance of 205 00:07:33,249 --> 00:07:31,819 a planet and I'm always sticking with 206 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:33,259 the earth because I want to benchmark to 207 00:07:37,629 --> 00:07:35,449 the earth and then expand that model 208 00:07:40,119 --> 00:07:37,639 outwards just to make actual comparisons 209 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:40,129 across the exoplanet data set so to do 210 00:07:45,969 --> 00:07:42,409 that you need to create the phase 211 00:07:47,409 --> 00:07:45,979 diagram for a solar gas and this is a 212 00:07:49,450 --> 00:07:47,419 you may have heard of it also called 213 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:49,460 condensation sequences so you would take 214 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:51,650 a very hot gas and let it cool down and 215 00:07:55,659 --> 00:07:53,900 see which solids form first so I show 216 00:07:58,990 --> 00:07:55,669 aluminum even though aluminum is a dinky 217 00:08:00,399 --> 00:07:59,000 element with regards to planets it's the 218 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:00,409 it's the coolest phase diagram because 219 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:01,969 you can see everything that goes on so 220 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:03,529 you start up really high we have mono 221 00:08:07,689 --> 00:08:05,449 atomic gases then you start forming more 222 00:08:10,179 --> 00:08:07,699 complex things like aluminum gas and a 223 00:08:11,860 --> 00:08:10,189 LOH and then the solid start forming you 224 00:08:14,290 --> 00:08:11,870 get things like corundum a really 225 00:08:15,939 --> 00:08:14,300 refractory mineral but eventually it all 226 00:08:18,219 --> 00:08:15,949 settles down to things like an earth 227 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:18,229 aight and but this inner thigh here says 228 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:20,750 that for every aluminum atom i may form 229 00:08:24,610 --> 00:08:22,969 a planet with i carry eight moles of 230 00:08:27,129 --> 00:08:24,620 oxygen so then you can start playing 231 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:27,139 stoichiometry games so here is probably 232 00:08:33,370 --> 00:08:30,080 which was surprising to me is not often 233 00:08:34,750 --> 00:08:33,380 thought of the oxygen phase diagram so 234 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:34,760 here you start high and you get some 235 00:08:40,060 --> 00:08:37,729 these cais which are these dashed lines 236 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:40,070 but then really things we think about 237 00:08:44,620 --> 00:08:42,380 form terrestrial planets forced to write 238 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:44,630 enstatite are the main host of oxygen 239 00:08:52,269 --> 00:08:48,320 and total about 23% for this solar model 240 00:08:53,890 --> 00:08:52,279 fall into oxygen is refractory so that 241 00:08:55,780 --> 00:08:53,900 would be your sort of 242 00:08:59,200 --> 00:08:55,790 estimate of your oxygen budget with 243 00:09:01,930 --> 00:08:59,210 which to build planet which is my very 244 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:01,940 simple super duper planet if you have 245 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:04,910 those four elements and later two more 246 00:09:08,650 --> 00:09:06,530 but for the most part you can describe 247 00:09:10,510 --> 00:09:08,660 the earth really well in its structure 248 00:09:13,330 --> 00:09:10,520 in its mineralogy with those four 249 00:09:15,790 --> 00:09:13,340 elements for the bulk of the mantle and 250 00:09:17,590 --> 00:09:15,800 the upper mantle so let's look at it in 251 00:09:20,590 --> 00:09:17,600 a different way so this is the same 252 00:09:22,570 --> 00:09:20,600 thousand stars i showed earlier just on 253 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:22,580 a ternary so here's iron magnesium and 254 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:25,250 silicon the red are that is the same 255 00:09:29,290 --> 00:09:27,050 data set i showed earlier the black are 256 00:09:32,020 --> 00:09:29,300 the kepler stars and there's the Sun 257 00:09:34,270 --> 00:09:32,030 sort of right smack in the middle now so 258 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:34,280 you can run you've now you've got iron 259 00:09:38,830 --> 00:09:37,010 magnesium silicon and oxygen you can 260 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:38,840 calculate the weight percent of the core 261 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:40,490 or the core mass percent which are these 262 00:09:45,250 --> 00:09:43,790 contours here so the Sun great falls 263 00:09:49,390 --> 00:09:45,260 exactly kind of where we expected 264 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:49,400 between 30 and 35 mass percent of a core 265 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:53,210 the real answer is about 33 32 so good 266 00:09:58,780 --> 00:09:57,050 we've now shown or I we had to their 267 00:10:00,970 --> 00:09:58,790 stellar diversity and planet diversity 268 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:00,980 are linked so why would I would predict 269 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:02,390 that little black spot if it had a 270 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:04,730 planet this probably has a very high 271 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:07,730 core fraction as well mass fraction and 272 00:10:10,690 --> 00:10:09,380 there may be populations it's a little 273 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:10,700 hard to see here but there's a bit of a 274 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:12,650 lobe and then you've got sort of this 275 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:15,050 spread what do those planets look like 276 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:16,910 what's the true diversity so this is 277 00:10:21,610 --> 00:10:19,370 something where I am giving a talk at an 278 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:21,620 astrobiology conference but I think of 279 00:10:24,940 --> 00:10:23,240 things in planetary diversity not 280 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:24,950 planetary habitability I want to 281 00:10:30,190 --> 00:10:28,610 understand how likely are Earth's so 282 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:30,200 that's because now I'm of course 283 00:10:34,030 --> 00:10:32,510 completely talk myself into a corner 284 00:10:36,460 --> 00:10:34,040 because I want to talk about 285 00:10:39,190 --> 00:10:36,470 habitability now so this is a really 286 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:39,200 crummy picture of tectonics so if you 287 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:42,110 shut off tectonics of course you it does 288 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:43,760 a great job of regulating the atmosphere 289 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:46,640 so you're pumping carbon in and this has 290 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:48,410 of course heat problems for how your 291 00:10:52,450 --> 00:10:50,720 core crystallizes so one thing I'll talk 292 00:10:54,490 --> 00:10:52,460 about really quickly is one thing that 293 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:54,500 controls tectonics which may control 294 00:11:00,070 --> 00:10:57,890 habitability is buoyancy of the plates 295 00:11:02,350 --> 00:11:00,080 so as a plate goes down it undergoes a 296 00:11:04,180 --> 00:11:02,360 phase transition it becomes a really 297 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:04,190 terrible term negatively buoyant and 298 00:11:07,570 --> 00:11:05,690 keep sinking and it's one of the things 299 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:07,580 that helps power plate tectonics 300 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:10,250 it's also a purely chemical process well 301 00:11:14,830 --> 00:11:12,320 chemical and mineral physical property 302 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:14,840 so i want to know within this sample 303 00:11:18,250 --> 00:11:16,910 which one of these which of these 304 00:11:20,950 --> 00:11:18,260 compositions are likely to produce 305 00:11:22,660 --> 00:11:20,960 planets that can undergo that phase 306 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:22,670 transition and become successfully 307 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:24,860 negatively buoyant and keep sinking so 308 00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:26,930 this is sort of big data planetary 309 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:29,030 science and just asking the question how 310 00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:31,550 common is our negatively buoyant plates 311 00:11:35,020 --> 00:11:33,200 I'm not saying whether plate tectonics 312 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:35,030 is occurring I'm just saying if it did 313 00:11:41,230 --> 00:11:38,240 what what is the likelihood so we need 314 00:11:43,450 --> 00:11:41,240 to melt everything and basically get an 315 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:43,460 idea of what the basaltic crust is and 316 00:11:49,390 --> 00:11:46,610 then make the phase diagrams so here is 317 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:49,400 your basalt phase diagram this is for 318 00:11:54,250 --> 00:11:52,310 our earth model again benchmarking to 319 00:11:57,180 --> 00:11:54,260 the earth and here's your basalt you 320 00:11:59,740 --> 00:11:57,190 integrate the differences in density 321 00:12:02,530 --> 00:11:59,750 down at whatever depth you want and you 322 00:12:04,930 --> 00:12:02,540 can calculate a buoyancy force so here 323 00:12:07,150 --> 00:12:04,940 is and these are preliminary results 324 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:07,160 they're almost done the papers written 325 00:12:11,650 --> 00:12:09,500 we just need to finagle so this is 326 00:12:13,390 --> 00:12:11,660 magnesium silicon vs. net buoyancy force 327 00:12:15,090 --> 00:12:13,400 running through a lot of chemistry that 328 00:12:17,620 --> 00:12:15,100 if you're interested I can talk about 329 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:17,630 and I've made a line for the model earth 330 00:12:22,630 --> 00:12:20,210 and only about 5% of that total thousand 331 00:12:24,610 --> 00:12:22,640 star sample actually works to create 332 00:12:26,830 --> 00:12:24,620 negatively buoyant plates so I'll leave 333 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:26,840 it here my real point which I've 334 00:12:32,170 --> 00:12:30,020 underlined here is that earth-like does 335 00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:32,180 not mean compositionally similar it may 336 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:33,590 not even mean the atmosphere is the same 337 00:12:38,170 --> 00:12:36,110 it behaves like the earth because 338 00:12:40,330 --> 00:12:38,180 tectonics dynamics are really what's 339 00:12:41,950 --> 00:12:40,340 powering all of us and we all need to 340 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:41,960 work together to solve the problem so 341 00:12:57,469 --> 00:12:54,650 alright question already thank you 342 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:57,479 regarding up plate tectonics and also a 343 00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:00,720 buoyancy of mental material how do you 344 00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:03,720 rectify similar chemical composition 345 00:13:11,989 --> 00:13:05,279 between Earth and Venus and and 346 00:13:14,629 --> 00:13:11,999 excellent question so this I I Venus is 347 00:13:16,549 --> 00:13:14,639 always gonna dog this question if the 348 00:13:18,229 --> 00:13:16,559 sun's composition is similar then Venus 349 00:13:20,359 --> 00:13:18,239 and Earth should be exactly the same so 350 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:20,369 right now we're working on getting 351 00:13:25,219 --> 00:13:22,889 mixing to understand maybe something 352 00:13:26,779 --> 00:13:25,229 Venus or earth form slightly differently 353 00:13:28,699 --> 00:13:26,789 or that we're not taking into account 354 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:28,709 actual discs mixings or something like 355 00:13:33,349 --> 00:13:31,649 that and then if we see that that 356 00:13:36,229 --> 00:13:33,359 doesn't work we're going to will add 357 00:13:40,369 --> 00:13:36,239 extra details of history you know what 358 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:40,379 happened to make and sort of it's sort 359 00:13:45,049 --> 00:13:43,529 of its constraining Earth and Venus from 360 00:13:47,150 --> 00:13:45,059 the outside like what doesn't work 361 00:13:48,769 --> 00:13:47,160 versus what did work and we'll add 362 00:13:51,710 --> 00:13:48,779 details as we go but I am really 363 00:13:53,419 --> 00:13:51,720 interested in Venus and I think thinking 364 00:13:54,979 --> 00:13:53,429 of Earth and Venus as sort of the ideal 365 00:13:57,079 --> 00:13:54,989 and not ideal exoplanet and 366 00:13:59,509 --> 00:13:57,089 understanding the differences is a 367 00:14:03,679 --> 00:13:59,519 really profound way of understanding all 368 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:03,689 of X of planetary science Thank You 369 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:12,920 yeah so is there any worried that the 370 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:15,120 dynamics like how you form these planets 371 00:14:19,190 --> 00:14:17,250 sort of obscures the link between 372 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:19,200 Stemler composition and planetary 373 00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:20,670 encompasses yeah so right now I'm 374 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:22,800 working I just started my postdoc 375 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:26,310 working on integrating so the the 376 00:14:30,380 --> 00:14:27,930 condensation sequence code I've written 377 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:30,390 with mixing models to sort of get an 378 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:33,750 idea of feeding zones so one of the 379 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:39,810 things in this this plot here is I show 380 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:41,730 I bound by the earth and the Sun but 381 00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:43,980 Venus doesn't actually work unless you 382 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:45,839 use a slightly higher magnesium to 383 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:48,510 Silicon number for the for the mantle 384 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:51,860 and that's interesting because in the 385 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:54,690 oxygen phase diagram you get something 386 00:15:01,070 --> 00:14:58,320 of mg mg / SI of two condensing before 387 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:01,080 mgs I of one so if you preferentially 388 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:03,210 mix from higher temperature closer to 389 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:05,940 your star stuff you might expect high 390 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:08,460 mgs I so that's worth figuring out what 391 00:15:13,010 --> 00:15:10,920 up adding a dynamical component saying 392 00:15:14,990 --> 00:15:13,020 this is where it fed from here's what 393 00:15:16,490 --> 00:15:15,000 the stuff the chemistry of the stuff 394 00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:16,500 that formed from now run the 395 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:18,390 stoichiometry and figure things out so